{"id":3055,"date":"2014-09-04T20:00:03","date_gmt":"2014-09-04T18:00:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ad-dialoguesange.local\/?p=3055"},"modified":"2025-05-05T10:51:20","modified_gmt":"2025-05-05T08:51:20","slug":"gitta-mallasz-baroudeuse-des-anges","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ad-dialoguesange.org\/en\/gitta-mallasz-baroudeuse-des-anges\/","title":{"rendered":"Gitta Mallasz, the angel's adventurer"},"content":{"rendered":"

The review \u201cCl\u00e9s\u201d having ceased its activity and closed its website, we reproduce here its article \u201cGitta Mallasz, the baroudeuse des anges\u201d written by Patrice Van Eersel.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Was the one whose name will remain synonymous with the book Dialogues with the Angel a simple "scribe", as she called it, or a spiritual master? Today, his former \u201cpupils\u201d differ on this subject \u2013 some feeling attached first to the book, others to the person. One thing is certain, the former Austro-Hungarian swimmer, rough, funny and bursting with energy, was the catalyst for an extraordinary experience, which led \u2013 on the threshold of the Shoah \u2013 to a staggering lesson in joy. A lesson that exactly answers today's questions.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Without Gitta, the experience of Her testimony<\/em> certainly would not have happened. \u201cShe who shines\u201d, as the \u201cvoice of her angel\u201d called her, constituted one of the two poles of an extraordinarily powerful arc. The other pole, \u201cthe one who measures\u201d, also a woman, from whose mouth the famous Dialogues came, was her friend Hanna Dallos. Quite the opposite of her: gentle and patient, with a fine intelligence and great culture. Gitta provided animal energy. Hanna was shaping it. No opposition, but a formidable arm wrestling love. In the teaching that finally emerged from their reciprocal questioning, energy and form, matter and light, body and spirit were constantly described as "in love with each other", the human being the key to their encounter, the key to the entire cosmos!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But you have to set the context, for those who do not know this sublime and tragic story. A story that many of our relatives will have the chance to rub shoulders with, retroactively, after Gitta Mallasz fled from communist Hungary and took refuge in France in 1960, where she remained until her death in 1992.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Explosion of meaning in full modernity<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The story begins in Imperial Austria-Hungary. Daughter of a Magyar general and his Austrian wife, Gitta Mallasz is a devil tall as three apples from Slovenia, who is early talked about throughout the country. Hungarians love swimming, and the girl is a champion - in the pool and in the Danube. She's also a clown \u2013 she will keep a taste for jokes to make you laugh out loud until the end (her hosts of the last few years, Bernard and Patricia Montaud, know something about this). Finally, she is a formidable lover, whose fianc\u00e9s will fall one after the other, without her caring much about it. When she meets Hanna Dallos, on the benches of the Fine Arts, everything opposes them. Daughter of refined and gentle Jewish teachers, Hanna is rather fragile. But she also has a lot of humor and Gitta amuses her enormously. Against all odds, they become friends \u2013 after Hanna marries cabinetmaker designer Joseph Kreutzer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Budapest was then a very prominent modern city. Our young people find themselves in a design, graphic art and advertising studio run by Joseph and Hanna. Over the years, the fascination is reversed. Gitta is mad with admiration for Hanna, more mature than her and playing the role of artistic, intellectual and spiritual guide vis-\u00e0-vis her collaborators and apprentices. From an eclectic culture, Hanna draws them into passionate discussions. A small group is formed, in which also participates Lili Strau\u00df, a young woman known for her gentleness and her ability to teach, in Hungary, an avant-garde body rehabilitation method, drawn from yoga...
But times are darkening. Anti-Semitic ideology pervades everything. Hanna, Joseph and several collaborators can no longer work. The daughter of an anti-Bolshevik general (he put down Bela Kun's revolution in 1919), Gitta could \u201ccover\u201d them and take control in their place. The small group continues its conversations on the sly. If Hanna, Joseph and Lili were born Jewish and Gitta Catholic, none of them identify with a religion. Ahead of their time, they are interested on the other hand in all spiritual traditions, from the West as well as from the East. The conversation revolves a lot around lying, "much more serious than violence". On many points, Hanna is influenced by the oriental explorers of "non-duality", who whisper to her that "the body and the spirit are one" and that "evil is only immature good". But the religions of the Book are also very present. Question: if the Word creates the world (omnipresent Judeo-Christian theme, from Genesis to the Apocalypse of Saint John), isn't the real sin to betray him, in other words to lie? But what else are world leaders doing, not just totalitarians? At this point, Gitta is one student among others, listening to Hanna; if she surpasses her comrades, it is mostly in the dizzy, zealous and mad-dog type.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

War breaks out and the atmosphere becomes leaden. Like all the Hungarian nobility, the dictator Horthy does not like the Nazi Germans. If he collaborates with them, it is by far, like the Spaniard Franco or the Portuguese Salazar. Although anti-Semitic, he refuses to hand over "his" Jews, who constitute the bulk of the bourgeoisie of Budapest, its economy. Almost until the end, the Nazis, too busy elsewhere, will tolerate this independence\u2026 As a result, for 750,000 Jews, Hungary will become a balcony over hell. A pressure cooker. In all the surrounding countries we deport with all our might... and not here? Fifty years later, having lived through the war in the Pest ghetto, Maria Torok, a Hungarian Jew who became a psychoanalyst in France, asserted that, in this overstressed atmosphere, several phenomena similar to Dialogues with the Angel <\/em>literally "exploded". What is it then?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The mystery of creative inspiration<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The small group ends up taking refuge in Budaliget, a suburb, on the heights of Buda. It is there that, on Friday, June 25, 1943, at 3 p.m., while Hanna and Gitta are talking alone, an event breaks out that will catapult them to another level of consciousness. While nothing announces it, Hanna suddenly changes her tone and declares to Gitta: \u201cWatch out, it's not me talking anymore! \u201c, before leaving in an extremely beautiful \u2013 and severe \u2013 speech addressed to his friend. Instantly, Gitta finds herself crushed. His \u201cguide\u201d tells him: \u201cWe're going to make you lose the habit of asking useless questions! " The tone is set. From then on, for seventeen months, this phenomenon will repeat itself a hundred times, every Friday at 3 p.m. \u2013 eighty-eight of these \u201cDialogues\u201d will be noted down, in notebooks with black moleskin covers. who would become famous\u2026 thirty-three years later.
From the first interview, it is a very high level teaching that is expressed, in a sumptuous, pithy and sharp Hungarian (which the translators will have great difficulty in rendering, as with all strong poetry).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Very quickly, Lili will join her two friends \u2013 and the voice of her own guide will be infinitely sweet. Joseph, skeptical by nature, will take several weeks before following \u2013 his own proving to be almost as mute as him. Finally, it's four \u2013 square structure serving as an \u201cantenna\u201d? \u2013 that they will receive very striking messages from their \u201cguides\u201d (the word angel will only come much later). Each time, it is Hanna who speaks, while Gitta and Lili note, each in turn, what the voice answers to the other's questions. Warning: no automatic speech, no trance \u2013 \u201cIt is absolutely necessary that you understand that all this was perfectly na-tu-rel! Gitta would never stop repeating to us, once exiled in France, with the strong Austro-Hungarian accent that she would never lose. No channeling or mediumship! Though\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What is the difference between the inspiration of a Mozart, admitting to receiving his music \u201cunder the dictation of the angels\u201d, and that of a medium uttering, asleep, words coming from who knows what unconscious? Questioned on this subject, the theologian, philosopher and psychotherapist Jean-Yves Leloup does not hesitate to say that, with the exception of cheaters, the "inspirations" do not differ in nature, but in degree of consciousness, the sleeping channel representing in some way brings out level zero, and the great prophet \u2013 let's say Moses \u2013 the other end of the same transpersonal scale (the artist presenting this big difference with the prophet that he retains an ego, generally enormous). Hanna, when she speaks, is "transparent" and yet more awake than ever, so "in good shape" that she utters words that surprise herself! Which ones for example?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A radical aesthetic manifesto<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The Dialogues with the Angel<\/em>\u00a0bring together a very rich content, of which we can only give a brief overview here. The "guides" of the four friends (He who measures, He who radiates, He who helps and He who builds) present themselves as their "creative halves", forever linked to them - they whose consciences, still prisoners of the dream, believe reduced to their \u201ccreated halves\u201d, both \u201canimal\u201d and \u201cmental\u201d, two states subject to time and therefore destined to disappear with the death of the body. Never, however, is the body despised, quite the contrary. Crazy love, say the invisible messengers, draws light and matter together. It is a pressing call to incarnation: "Weight is the way", says the interview of October 1, 1943. But participation in gravity can only be done in joy: to fulfill one's destiny, the human must weigh happily! We are far from astral travel. Also far from pain. Suffering is useful only to the animal, to whom it serves as a compass. No deadly abstinence: sexuality, for example, is seen as a higher gateway to create \u201cman\u201d, and not to make \u201cmany men\u201d. The divine (designated in Hungarian by the untranslatable pronoun "\u00d6", neither masculine, nor feminine, nor neutral) realizes Himself in a gush in permanent innovation, of which each human can become an actor on condition of daring to hoist his life and its questions at the height of this "radical aesthetic manifesto", as Michel Cressole will write inRelease<\/em>, July 5, 1990. The \u201cguides\u201d insist particularly on this \u201ceternally new\u201d aspect of the divine force, of which they say themselves the humble messengers, taken inside an angelic hierarchy which is reminiscent of the Jewish Kabbalah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dancing for joy in the Holocaust!?!<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Feeling their inevitable defeat, the Nazis invaded Hungary in March 1944. In just a few weeks, they deported 95 {124e548c0c036308b7597490134b369ee48a128e5dff1c887b141ac081cfaf96} of the Jewish community, hitherto spared and now thrown straight into the ovens! It was then that, ceasing to be a simple assistant or flabbergasted catalyst, Gitta Mallasz became an actor in the "experiment" that the angels said they were "attempting" on the four friends.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pushed by an exceptional Catholic intelligentsia, the general's daughter first agrees to take the lead of a "war factory" manufacturing uniforms and serving, as in Schindler's List, to hide Jewish women hastily transformed in seamstresses. But if a hundred of them will be saved (with their children), Hanna and Lili, they will choose to die deported (Joseph precedes them there). Until the last drop of energy, bending but not breaking, they will continue to give substance to the most incredible and insolent of messages. The war ? An old reflex, a habit, a routine, a mortal boredom\u2026 \u2013 all the signs of the \u201cLiar\u201d. The true Peace, the men do not know it yet: it is the dance of the marriage of the Earth and the Sky, and this one passes by the Human, conscious of its creative part and thus immortal! Until the end, in the "commander's hut" of the war factory, and even then in Ravensbr\u00fcck, supported by Lili and two other women (including Eva D\u00e0nos who will survive and testify), Hanna and Lili, despite being transfixed of sadness, will welcome the invitation to "dance the outline of the new world" and to pass it on to the deportees, transformed into walking corpses, but smiling one last time and not believing their ears.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Carry the message to the whole world<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n

It is alone that Gitta Mallasz will live the other half of the epic. Having succeeded in becoming the decorator of the National Ballets of Communist Hungary (despite her father, an anti-Bolshevik general!), she will travel all over the world, waiting for her parents to die to seek political asylum in France. A long ascent will then begin, busy surviving (by designing album covers), then translating the contents of the notebooks that she has miraculously managed to preserve. With the help of Laci Walder, a Hungarian refugee, married in a sham marriage, but who became her real (and only) husband, and a few friends (including Fran\u00e7oise Maupin and Marguerite Kardos), Gitta Mallasz took fifteen years to come up with a text publishable French. It is Dominique Raoul Duval, editor at Aubier, who will find the title Talking with Angels <\/em>(Gitta had titled: The 4 Messengers<\/em> ). As for the promotion, it will be ensured by three radio men, captivated by the ardor of this unclassifiable Hungarian: Claude Mettra, of France Culture, and Jacques Chancel, of France Inter \u2013 the latter, will begin his \u201cRadioscopy\u201d of Gitta very skeptical and will turn around in amazement, during the broadcast, after Gitta, inspired, has made him read the passage on the smile on the air...<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In a few years, the Her testimony<\/em> will be translated all over the world, under the ultra-careful supervision of Gitta Mallasz who, with the help of Robert Hinshaw, publisher of the Jung Foundation, will succeed in having several translations sponsored by great minds, often musicians, for example Narciso Yepes and Yehudi Menuhin . Categorically refusing to become a guru and very explicitly forbidding anyone to set themselves up as an interpreter or an exegete of the Dialogues, Gitta, who had become a widow, was about to end her days in a village in the Dordogne. But fate will decide otherwise...<\/p>\n\n\n\n

She was 81 when, driving in the middle of a storm, she crashed her 2CV into another car and broke both arms. Compelled to stop driving, she is happy to accept, on the advice of Marguerite Kardos, the invitation of a warm man who, for several years, has been organizing the conferences that she happens to give: Bernard Montaud. With his wife Patricia, he offers the old adventurer to come and live with them, in the middle of the C\u00f4tes du Rh\u00f4ne vineyards.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There will take place a last and astonishing phase of an already busy course. Pressed by her hosts - and by hundreds of readers - to explain, as concretely as possible, how each can contact their "creative half", Gitta Mallasz, finally agrees to teach the simplest way, for each one, to hear the voice of her inner guide (and not that of her delirium!), in an intimate dialogue which she will end up saying is a \u201cnatural function\u201d of the human condition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

To read<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The White Source<\/em>, the astonishing story of the dialogues with the angel, Patrice van Eersel, Grasset and Livre de Poche editions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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