{"id":1083,"date":"2016-09-13T08:45:24","date_gmt":"2016-09-13T06:45:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ad-dialoguesange.org\/?p=1083"},"modified":"2025-05-05T10:51:19","modified_gmt":"2025-05-05T08:51:19","slug":"1943-anges-parlaient-deja-ecologie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ad-dialoguesange.org\/en\/1943-anges-parlaient-deja-ecologie\/","title":{"rendered":"In 1943, angels were already talking about ecology"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>In Budapest in 1943, ecological questions are not on the agenda of the meetings of four very close friends, three of whom will be swallowed up by the Jewish genocide. And yet, the extraordinary spiritual teaching they then received from the mouth of one of them - transcribed in the <em>Dialogues with the Angel \u2013<\/em> is also addressed to our times, which are faced with no less crucial problems. Today, it is the very existence of humanity that is threatened by the overexploitation of a nature that has become drudgery at will.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3>The man is on the wrong track<\/h3>\n<p>The warnings are few in the <a href=\"https:\/\/ad-dialoguesange.org\/en\/dialogues-avec-ange\/\"><em>Talking with Angels<\/em><\/a>, but they already announce the moral and ecological crisis in which humanity is sinking today: excess of technology, predation, overconsumption, race for wealth, misery, wars...<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1095\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1095\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1095\" src=\"https:\/\/ad-dialoguesange.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/MMA-MHO-19890824744_9d2c970921_z.jpg\" alt=\"Cr\u00e9dit photo MMA|MHO\" width=\"600\" height=\"391\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1095\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo credit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/ontariomah\/19890824744\/in\/album-72157654832495083\/\">MMA|MHO<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\u2013 A whole network of concrete roads<br \/>\ntravels the earth in all directions.<br \/>\nThey are vast, wide and smooth,<br \/>\nand madness rides them.<br \/>\nThere are many ways, many.<br \/>\nDon&#039;t be surprised,<br \/>\nif the man has forgotten the small, the narrow, the only one!<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 20 with Lili, p. 118)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">matter explodes,<br \/>\nnausea of saturation and excess, of &quot;a lot&quot;.<br \/>\nLet the \u201cmore\u201d come!<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 63, p. 303)<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Now it&#039;s the will of man<br \/>\nwhich is being fulfilled, and not His.<br \/>\nMan is the fiercest of predators.<br \/>\nHis hand is worse than a predator&#039;s claw.<br \/>\nHe who takes it will be taken,<br \/>\nbecause he is not worthy to have hands:<br \/>\nthe hand is not meant to take.<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 35 with Lili, p. 215)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">The New Harvest is Light and not shiny metal.<br \/>\nThe man racked his brains so hard<br \/>\nto know how iron would become gold,<br \/>\nthat gold has become iron,<br \/>\nAnd the iron fell on him...<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 23 with Gitta, p. 136)<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>A narrow but exhilarating path<\/h3>\n<p>\u201cMan has forgotten the small, the narrow, the only way. \u00bb<\/p>\n<p><em>Talking with Angels<\/em> is first of all a spiritual teaching, but it would be mutilating it not to raise its cosmic, material, human dimension. The angels warn us: it is not a question for man of &quot;rushing into the spirit&quot; by getting rid of matter, as certain spiritual paths propose, but of being the bridge between matter and spirit, to connect them and give birth to &quot;new matter, Matter-Light&quot;.<\/p>\n<p>The word \u201cmatter\u201d is to be understood here in the broad sense. The living, whether plant, animal or human, is part of the world of matter. But in man and through man, matter is spiritualized. Man is at the hinge between the two worlds, both a creature kneaded in matter and a creator kneading matter. It cannot be accomplished by confining oneself to one shore: neither by betting everything on matter, nor by aspiring to a disembodied existence. It is the bridge that connects by relying on the two banks.<\/p>\n<p>At the forefront of evolution, it has an essential role to play. \u201cMan is the soul of creation\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>From mineral to divine, seven degrees mark out the path of evolution. Man is the four, placed at the heart of the universe between the three degrees of the created world \u2013 mineral, vegetable, animal \u2013 and the three degrees of the creative world. He is called to bring about Man, that is, the seven together.<\/p>\n<p>The old image of man placed at the top of a creation at his disposal is giving way to a new paradigm. Creation was not made for man, once and for all, but it continues, with man and by man. Man is no longer invited to dominate and submit. He must no longer \u201cuse\u201d himself, but serve, put himself at the service of the divine plan by making the connection between matter and spirit.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1096\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1096\" style=\"width: 480px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1096 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/ad-dialoguesange.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Sz\u00e9kely-Kapcsolat.jpg\" alt=\"Kapcsolat (Jonction), de Pierre Sz\u00e9kely, 1963, Berlin (Photo : Peter Kain)\" width=\"480\" height=\"320\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1096\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><b>Kapcsolat<\/b> (Junction)<br \/>This sculpture is the work of Pierre Sz\u00e9kely, who was a pupil of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dialogues-ange.fr\/hanna_dallos.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hanna Dallas<\/a>, through whose mouth angels spoke in Budapest in 1943.<br \/>Man&#039;s task is to make the connection between matter and spirit so that Man becomes, a total man encompassing the mineral, the vegetable and the animal, God and the angels.<br \/>Berlin, 1963 (Photo: Peter Kain)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The <em>Talking with Angels<\/em> call for a \u201ctotal ecology that forgets nothing, no one, no God, no men, no angels, no animals, plants and all living beings and not even inanimate beings. \u00bb [*] An ecology that goes beyond the simple protection of living organisms. An ecology which, if I may say so, raises the standard of living.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Of one loaf, many loaves,<br \/>\nit&#039;s no longer a miracle,<br \/>\nfor the earth is filled with bread!<br \/>\nOf the multitude of men: MAN. \u2013<br \/>\nThis is the new miracle.<br \/>\nIt is the new bread that satisfies all hunger,<br \/>\nbecause everyone will have it.<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 34 with Lili, p. 207)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>And for that, we are invited to a radical personal transformation, a reversal, a new birth, to bring about the new world.<\/p>\n<p>Man can no longer live like an animal, centered on himself, seeking only his own satisfaction. For man, the act par excellence is to give, not to give what one has taken from nature, but to \u201cgive oneself\u201d.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Sow the seed that you are YOURSELF,<br \/>\ndon&#039;t keep it!<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 56, p. 287)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Be careful, do not sow the seed in the ground!<br \/>\nThere is enough wheat,<br \/>\nthe attics have been full for a long time,<br \/>\nbut Heaven is empty.<br \/>\nNo one has sown seed there yet.<br \/>\nSow seed where no one has ever dared.<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 48, p. 264)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>And if he follows the narrow way, leaving behind him the old, then &quot;his joy will have no measure.&quot;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">The animal is hungry, it is satiated and that is enough.<br \/>\nThe man is filled, he radiates \u2014<br \/>\nand that is never enough,<br \/>\ntherefore his joy has no measure.<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\">(<em>Talking with Angels<\/em>, interview 31 with Lili, p. 191)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>EL<\/p>\n<p>[*] According to the formula of <a href=\"http:\/\/zentropaville.tumblr.com\/post\/120445925578\/linsurrection-pour-tous-de-l{124e548c0c036308b7597490134b369ee48a128e5dff1c887b141ac081cfaf96}C3{124e548c0c036308b7597490134b369ee48a128e5dff1c887b141ac081cfaf96}A9cologie\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Falk van Gaver<\/a><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Gitta Mallasz: \u201cI suffer with the earth\u201d\" width=\"1290\" height=\"968\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/uM8FwRaiNV0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>It&#039;s at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dialogues-ange.fr\/gitta_mallasz.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Gitta Mallasz<\/a> that we need to know the <em>Talking with Angels<\/em>. Having managed to leave communist Hungary in 1960 to settle in France, she never stopped translating or having translated her notes, into French then into many other languages, and later commenting on them at conferences. Here is what she said shortly before her death about the responsibility of man towards the Earth.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Budapest in 1943, ecological issues are not on the agenda at the meetings of four very close friends, three of whom are about to be swallowed up by the Jewish genocide. 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